How do you play against toss?

[Syl3ntFury]

I'm still switchin around races seein which one I like an it seems like any ground army you use against toss is turned into a joke. You use thors, he brings in immortals and wtfpwns there faces, so you bring marines to counter immortals he brings a colosuss to kill 80 marines, you build marauders for zealots he brings stalkers and blink micros them to death. How do you beat toss on the ground?

[BSOS]

i think the army you are looking for is MASS MARAUDERs with Viking and medivac support

don't forget stimpack

the idea is that EVERYTHING that the protoss has on the ground is armored except zealots and sentries.

so with proper micro, you can kite the zealots to their death

[Syl3ntFury]

Doesn't work yet. keep losing to them. Against a toss with same amount of workers, i had 5 marauders, 4 hellions, 2 siege tanks and 8 marines. He had 2 immortals, 6 stalkers and a sentry and he completly obliterated them in seconds. Protoss is a fucking joke. They can pump out units that are ridiciously strong as fast as zerg can pump out units. If i want good units i have to build the building and wait for tech labs where as he builds a gate way turns it to warp mode and can make insane units every like 15 seconds. I do not like toss at all right now

[BSOS]

you're doing it wrong... watch some PvT replays and observe what build the players go.
most of the time, Terran will go mass marauders with medivacs, and that would be fine

[Diius]

Hellions are pretty weak against Toss, mainly just because of not having many low armor units. As BSOS said, Marauders/Medvac/Vikings are pretty good. Even an early cloaked banshee could work for harass depending on his build.

[Arovien]

Dont play terran tycoon. You shouldn't make every unit you can afford. Why are u making hellions and tanks against toss? Because you can't afford thors or BCs yet? Do not think like that or you will lose.

Make efficient army compositions by keeping in mind what unit counters what.

Protoss ground armies are usually diverse because toss do not have a universally useful unit like the hydra or marine. This makes it a little more difficult to counter their army composition, but its still possible if you recognize "what will be most useful unit against this particular army".

[cone0]

Can't believe no one has mentioned Ghosts yet EMP rapes Toss

Marauders/Medivacs/Ghosts/Vikings(if needed)

[BSOS]

Can't believe no one has mentioned Ghosts yet EMP rapes Toss

Marauders/Medivacs/Ghosts/Vikings(if needed)

yes... right here

i only get ghosts if i see immortals though... no point to waste all that gas on a mostly useless unit... marauders are so op

[Syl3ntFury]

Dont play terran tycoon. You shouldn't make every unit you can afford. Why are u making hellions and tanks against toss? Because you can't afford thors or BCs yet? Do not think like that or you will lose.

Make efficient army compositions by keeping in mind what unit counters what.

Protoss ground armies are usually diverse because toss do not have a universally useful unit like the hydra or marine. This makes it a little more difficult to counter their army composition, but its still possible if you recognize "what will be most useful unit against this particular army".

On the Thors part, I think they are a waste of minerals / gas. They drop faster then hell unless you get one early game. Yeah great damage but if your enemy has zealots/zerglings the thor will get annihalated fast. yeah i'll watch some replays an figure it out. Thanks guys

[BSOS]

On the Thors part, I think they are a waste of minerals / gas. They drop faster then hell unless you get one early game. Yeah great damage but if your enemy has zealots/zerglings the thor will get annihalated fast. yeah i'll watch some replays an figure it out. Thanks guys

thors are great against zerg, they 2 shot a queen, they 1 shot hydras, they 2 shot roaches... and they WRECK mutalisks

the only problem with the thor unit is that any practical protoss air unit in a PvT matchup will not be pheonix... and therefor thors suck in PvT.
What this means... is that YOU CANNOT GO MECH AGAINST PROTOSS. sure.. tanks are nice... but they're so slow. Hellions are hella cheap... but not practical against a protoss force with collosi OR immortals..
The immortal is the best reason you have not to get tanks, ever.

if you really REALLY want to go mech... get a few hellions for harrass, or to sac in the front lines while ur marauders go missile happy.