Zerg roach cheese

[Kaona]

This is just a strange strategy that i thought up the other day, basically if your up against protoss or terran, take 2 drones early on in the game and take both if their extractors, delaying their gas. After tech rush to roaches and rush them, with the opponent forced to t1 for a long while, the roach should be able to do a heavy amount of damage (t1.5 counters from both will be to delayed for them to get many of them).

[ApuKerpal]

Kaona, depending on how nice your micro/macro is canceling the gas and rebuilding resets its HP, so that could help this cheese idea greatly. Peep this video of Korean player Sen vs. TLO stealing the gas in game 5 of a tourney that was recently held...

Attention @ 2:20 below:

[Arovien]

Protoss can just make some cannons or terran can wall off + bunker support.
Also, both toss and terran get early gas compared to most zerg builds, so its very unlikely 2 drones will be able to take both gases.

Wat we see in that game between TLO and Sen (besides zergs non-existing micro) is that once terran can secure that 2nd expansion, they have the econ to win with the mech unit compo. No way in hell terran can with with only 4 gas (main + first expan) to support the gas heavy thors + tanks + ghosts. Zerg denying the 2nd til they are running on 3 bases usually means zerg macro will come ahead.

[ApuKerpal]

Protoss can just make some cannons or terran can wall off + bunker support.
Also, both toss and terran get early gas compared to most zerg builds, so its very unlikely 2 drones will be able to take both gases.

I assumed he was talking early, early, i.e. 8/9 pool where there would most assuredly be no wall off and unlikely cannons, hence cheese... plus once they get in and start building, I don't think the cannons shoot buildings.

Would slow you down a tad, but slow them down more. Plus w/ the canceling wouldn't cost you too much minerals and could crank the drowns back at the base... would take some skill though.

[Arovien]

marines would take out the gas eventually but that is the least of your worries...

the cannons and the bunker would be to stop the roaches. Proper def placement can basically spells "all roach early pressure useless" so profoundly that roaches would not be able to hit the cannons/bunkers as they get nailed.

[Kaona]

Well it could but its far to stationary, roaches or if you decide to, baneling bust can take out a wall fairly well with t1 units trying to defend it, that and roaches tear t1 units apart very quickly. Im not sure that many would instanly jump into a mass t1 unit fight that early on in the match, but would just expect it to be an annoying gas steal =P

[ApuKerpal]

marines would take out the gas eventually but that is the least of your worries...

the cannons and the bunker would be to stop the roaches. Proper def placement can basically spells "all roach early pressure useless" so profoundly that roaches would not be able to hit the cannons/bunkers as they get nailed.

Do bunkers cost gas? I have not played a single match as T (I got the BETA extremley late - only had it for about a week, T.T, I know).

Well it could but its far to stationary, roaches or if you decide to, baneling bust can take out a wall fairly well with t1 units trying to defend it, that and roaches tear t1 units apart very quickly. Im not sure that many would instanly jump into a mass t1 unit fight that early on in the match, but would just expect it to be an annoying gas steal =P

Think you could pull of the double steal cancel/rebuild maneuver? Would be interesting to see how that played out... would send the other player into a panic IMO.

[Arovien]

Do bunkers cost gas? I have not played a single match as T (I got the BETA extremley late - only had it for about a week, T.T, I know).

nope

[BSOS]

i wouldn't recommend doing this...

killing 2 drones and 50 minerals early on is devastating to a zerg player, since its so hard for them to drone already as it is.

i guess you could do it to slow them down... if you make them cannon up or build a bunker you get your money's worth for the 2 sac'd drones

[BSOS]

i believe artosis talks about this strategy. he does a double gas steal on incineration zone (very small rush distance).. and claims he never loses... although i have no idea what he actually does so i'll have to go listen to it again (the latest "state of the game" podcast)